Why employers should always stay on-site

Posted on January 20th, 2011 in Uncategorized | 5 Comments milestone2

We try to run a great marketplace based on reputation and feedback, however just like the real world unfortunately there are always a few bad seeds and occasionally things go wrong. This is why we have in place the Milestone Payment system, which protects both employers and freelancers from something going wrong.

Using the Milestone Payment system, freelancers know that there are funds in the system to pay them after they complete the work and employers have the peace of mind in knowing that if the work is not completed or not up to scratch then they can get their money back. There is a Dispute Resolution system where you have the option of getting arbitration by our disputes team. These services are part of what Freelancer.com provides in exchange to the project commission that you pay.

Today at Freelancer.com we received an email from an unhappy user:

Hello

I received an email asking for my experience with Freelancer.com. Yes, for sure I would like to tell you about my recent experiance (sic). I was ripped off totally by the freelancer whom I employed via your site. the bastard simply took my cash and did nothing for me. He basically stole my money and won’t return it, blaming the death of his programmer’s grandfather, can you believe that? Freelancer have as yet failed to respond to my dilemma which is really poor. I have notified police in India, so they may well be in touch directly, since your staff appear to be doing nothing to help. For sure I want to tell everyone about Freelancer.com and coincidentally I am currently creating a product to be released in February which details “how and where to outsource” and plan to mail my list of 130,000 subscribers when I roll out my product on the 15th.

Have a nice day.

Peter

Apparently this user had a bad experience with a provider that ran off with his funds after being paid, and didn’t deliver the work. Of course we take active measures to weed out the bad seeds in our marketplace, including a detailed reputation system, back end analytics and through community reporting. In this case we are investigating matters. However on closer inspection we discovered how this had occurred which prompted my reply. Normally I wouldn’t be so blunt but after being threatened with a mail out to 130,000 users about poor service I thought the response was justified, as well as worthy of this blog post to highlight to employers the danger of going off-site.

Hi Peter

Firstly I’m sorry to hear you had a bad experience – we try to make it very clear to people and provide numerous warnings not to release any funds until you are 100% happy with the work and have received all the deliverables.

“Caution! You won’t be able to cancel or reclaim this payment after it has been sent. We strongly recommend you do not pay in advance. If you decide to pay before the project is complete, we cannot assist you in recovering funds if something goes wrong. We recommend using Milestone Payments and only paying after the deliverables for that milestone are complete.

[ ] I understand that this payment is final and I can’t dispute this payment after I click finish below.

Please write your full name (Freelancer Quartermaster) below. This will serve as a digital signature and confirm that you know what you’re doing.

Secondly I took a quick look at your account and see that you sent the following

“Hello.

I prefer to deal without Freelancer because there is no point paying them money, I am sure that you agree, if not then that’s also fine. For faster communication, I would like to talk on Skype. My details are XXXX and my email is XXXX@XXXX.com”

If you choose to deal off site there is nothing we can do as you lose the protection we provide you. The reason we take a commission is to protect you precisely from the problems you experienced by providing a milestone payment system, dispute resolution and buyer protection.

Payment off-site and avoiding our fees are also against our Terms & Conditions.

As you can see by deliberately trying to avoid fees you have got yourself into a pickle. Unfortunately you have no one to blame but yourself. Your note has encouraged me to think about writing a blog post illustrating to employers why they should stay on site and not try to cheat the system.

Finally thank you for offering to write to the 130,000 subscribers on your mailing list as we would appreciate the publicity.

Regards

Matt Barrie
Chief Executive
Freelancer.com

Obviously we are going to follow up on this matter and take the integrity of the marketplace as paramount. We provide numerous warnings to employers telling them to not release funds until they are completely happy and the work is done. I thought however that this email was the perfect opportunity to highlight why employers should always use the protective mechanisms we put in place to ensure that they are safe if the project doesn’t work out as expected.

5 Comments

  • Shoaib says:

    It is not so amazing that off-site contacting has no guarantee to the work be done.

  • akhter says:

    Matt Barrie,
    nice reply i really like it…
    but i also have one issue as a provider most of the people who get started at provider when they win a project freelancer took commission before he paid nothing its not fair for them too.. when some one paid them then freelancer should deduct there commission like other freelancer websites do…will not mentions their names… i have two friends who get started their work at freelancer came from other freelancer website on my recommendation both faces this trouble and now they ends of relation with freelancer.. kindly note this problem too

    Regards
    Akhter wahab

  • Lisa says:

    I’m so pleased that Freelancer has finally commented on this issue! On my own blog, I have been banging on about the fact that Freelancer users need to READ, UNDERSTAND and ABIDE BY the terms and conditions (and the Code of Conduct) for some time now, and I have little sympathy with people whose accounts suspended are through their own idiocy. I have NO sympathy with those people, like the guy above, who know the rules and choose to ignore them.
    Most people stumble across my blog when they search for the terms, “is Freelancer.com a scam?”. My response to these people is, and always has been, “NO”. Freelancer is not a scam, but there are, unfortunately, plenty of scammers who use the site (same with Ebay, Facebook, Twitter and any other large community website!) Tens, possibly even hundreds of people by now, have left comments on my blog, all ranting and raving about how bad Freelancer is, how they were cheated out of their money, how Freelancer did nothing to help them, but in EVERY SINGLE CASE, fault can be traced back to the user – not Freelancer itself.
    I, for one, am a big fan of Freelancer and don’t mind paying your fees if it means a little extra security. Of course, I’m also sensible about who I choose to work with and always ask the buyer to sign a contract, too.

  • Ali says:

    That was a nice reply. When he violates Freelancer.com rules and avoids the fee, then there is no place for complain. It is actually funny that now he expects Freelancer.com to take any measure to help him get his money back!

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